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Believing in something without questioning is never right

Published: Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Updated: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 06:03

Armenian Genocide Memorial

Courtesy Arevik Garamova, CC

It's hard to start an article about a very sensitive issue. You may go against the world and be right, but still people will get angry. Then how can I approach this? Outright denial is never constructive, even when you have enough solid evidence to know that what you believe is the truth. I am writing because I feel the responsibility to represent a different angle to Tufts students: one that is being ignored, either deliberately or out of ignorance.

The issue at hand is the so-called "Armenian Genocide." Throughout the years that have passed since World War I (WWI), the issue has become a much more of a political and emotional issue rather than that of a historical one. It's used against Turkey in its attempts to join the European Union or with regards to other political issues. Many nations such as France and Greece, and 44 U.S. states which have considerable Armenian minorities or value the opportunity to get leverage against Turkey, have acknowledged that such a genocide occurred. It is no surprise that the most vocal U.S. state about this issue is California, which has a sizeable Armenian minority. On the other hand, nations such as Israel, Denmark and the United Kingdom are not among the countries to acknowledge the genocide claims.

The international knowledge of the issue is close to minimal, if not nonexistent. Almost all of the people that are voting for the recognition of the so-called "Armenian Genocide" appear to only know one side of the story while ignoring many facts in order to keep this story intact. In fact, there are many facts that Western nations are either ignoring or these facts are denied to them.

The reason I bring this issue up is because I came upon an "Armenian Genocide Commemoration" event on TuftsLife last semester. I attended this event to ask two questions, but seeing that the majority of the attendees were elders, I didn't want to disrespect their emotions. In addition, the other half of the people in the room were sleeping because the lecturer of the event was practically reading her presentation from a paper which was hardly based on the events of WWI. I left early because I thought that having a poorly presented lecture in a commemoration ceremony is worse than someone confronting it.

I realized that people take this claim of genocide as the truth without questioning its credibility or even trying to learn something about it. I have two very simple questions that alone shake the credibility of the issue and demonstrate that it is not as apparent as the Holocaust is, a claim many "Armenian Genocide" defenders make.

My first question is about the base of the genocide argument. In 1920, Aram Andonian, a French-Armenian, published a book called "The Memoirs of Naim Bey". This book contained the "Talat Pasha telegrams" partially based on the Armenian argument that the Ottoman government ordered the killings of Armenians. These documents, which are purported to be the proof that the Ottoman government executed Armenians, were suggested to be forgeries by Şinasi Orel and Süreyya Yuca in 1983. In Orel and Yuca's book called "The Talaât Pasha Telegrams: Historical Fact or Armenian Fiction?" they analyze the documents on the basis of signature types, dating and language and found them to be forgeries.

Simply put, why would the Armenians feel the need to forge documents to back up their argument if it's so compellingly recorded and proven to be true?

The second question regards the history of Armenians themselves. The first Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Armenia, Hovhannes Katchaznouni, was a member of Armenian Revolutionary Federation, which served a key role in the formation of Armenia as a separate state. He published a critical report in 1923 called "The Federation Has Nothing More To Do." In his report, he claims that Armenians had a part in the escalation of the violence throughout the empire and points out the massacres done by Armenians against Turks. Unfortunately, his report was banned and collected to be destroyed in Armenia. In 2005, this book was found in Russian archives by Mehmet Perinçek and started to be published in many languages. Quite simply, why would the very man who fought for Armenia's existence undermine the "genocide" claim?

I have no doubt that there are more things that are being mistakenly left out. A very brief research on the issue from the Internet and written sources would show that small but important facts like those that I have mentioned in this article are not pointed out at all. This summarizes the overall treatment of the issue in the Western nations. Only one side is heard, and only one side is remembered. It is important to remember contentious events like this one, but we should remember all sides of an issue. We're living in a world where only the loudest voices are heard. Until all are, I will keep raising questions that need answering.

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Kerem Sahin is a junior majoring in electrical engineering.

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Kerem Sahin
Sun Mar 14 2010 21:33
There are numerous documents proving the Holocaust. There are confessions by Nazi officers, pictures from concentration camps, Nazi government orders of extermination of Jews and many more. The two issue is not comparable.

Next time when you're gonna defend your point with nonfactual information and idiocy, at least have the decency to check them.

Anonymous
Sun Mar 14 2010 15:33
hahaha it's crazy that the basis of the argument against the armenian genocide is that the armenians are working to hard to cover it up, yet we have these turkish psychos using citations on a comment section for an article like 12 people read. The Turks doth protest to much methinks!

There is actually no written evidence that the holocaust happened too. so I guess we know your stance on that if that's what you need to believe something. Just go back to turkey and people thinking it was genocide won't be a problem, because your govt will arrest them. It's great you come from such an open minded background. thanks for opening the eyes of the people of america. idiot.

mustafaka
Sat Mar 13 2010 09:22
VII
Now I want to ask the Armenian diaspora:
‘If all the scholars of the world, including the international scholars of genocide, support your thesis of genocide, then WHY HAVE YOU SPENT THIS EFFORT TO FALSIFY ALL THESE DOCUMENTS? WHY HAVE YOU NEEDED LIES? WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF DOCUMENTS SO MUCH? What is the reason of your strict resistance to present your thesisin historical commissions made up of historians from both sides and other countries?
What kind of a truth are you seeking? The one which exists or the one you want to imagine?

And I want to ask the world opinion:

Your sensitivity about the news condemning genocides, mass murders is appreciable. But while doing this, are you ready to be unbiased? Will you be able to discard all the prejudices the history has instilled you up till now? Will you be able to prefer scholar research rather than your prejudices?

Will you be able to acknowledge the great massacres inflicted on the Turks and Muslims by the Armenians before and after 1915 and condemn the Armenians who slaughtered the Turks and Muslims and buried them into large holes and even threw alive children into these holes in the Eastern Anatolia?(see diary of Russian Lieutenant Colonel Twerdo-Khlebof 'I wittnessed and I Lived Through Erzurum, 1917-1918'; www.tsk.mil.tr/ermeni_sorunu/arsiv_belgeleriyle...).
(Ahmet Refik Altınay. İki Komite ve İki Kıtal. İstanbul, 1919;p.71-72; 321-23).
So, I am afraid, it is actually you the world opinion who should face himself and review his identity and missions

mustafaka
Sat Mar 13 2010 09:17
IV
6) Falcified allegations of speeches attributed to Atatürk: The first claim about Atatürk was that he was one of the witnesses, who supported Armenians in the “Court Martials” in İstanbul. In this claim, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was confused with the Chairman of the “Court Martials”, Mustafa Kemal, whose nickname was Nemrud. During the trials in İstanbul, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was in Ankara as a leader of the national struggle. James H. Tashjian, the Armenian editor of the Armenian periodic ‘The Armenian Review’ stated that Mustafa Kemal, then a Pasha, never appeared before such a tribunal, nor did he render such a statement (The Armenian Weekly Boston, Mass, USA, March 20, 1982 and The Armenian Review Volume thirty five, Autumn 1982); however James H. Tashjian was fired from his work later on.

The second claim was about the statement, which attributed to Atatürk, given to Los Angeles Examiner in 1926. However, it was proven that this claim, which was made by Armenians in various platforms, was false. There was no evidence that a Swiss journalist, who was called Emile Hilderband, came to Turkey. Moreover, it was not found a journalist named Hilderband in the documents of Swiss authorities.

The third claim about Atatürk was put forward in Yeni Binyıl newspaper on 8 October 2000. According to this claim in his speech in Turkish Grand National Assembly, on 24th of April 1920, Atatürk condemned the leaders of Jön Turks for their genocide policies. After the research of the speech records of Turkish Grand National Assembly in both open and secret sessions, it was proven that Mustafa Kemal did not make such speech.

One of the last claims about Atatürk was put forward by European Parliament, Foreign Affairs Committee’s report on Turkey on 22nd of November 2001. In the footnote of this report claimed that Mustafa Kemal gave a speech in Turkish Grand National Assembly on 10th of April 1921, in which he said Jön Turk regime followed genocide policy against Armenians in the First World War. After the research of the speech reports of Turkish Grand National Assembly, it was seen that Mustafa Kemal did not speak in Turkish Grand National Assembly in April 1920. He even did not attend any session of Assembly during April 1920.

mustafaka
Sat Mar 13 2010 09:11
II

Moreover, after the Ottoman State was defeated in the 1st World War in 1918, the French and English invaders arrested 144 high level Ottoman veteran or civil officials including the ex-prime ministers, ex-deputies, governors and many newspapermen, and banished them to Malta Island, claiming that they were responsibles for the death of Armenians.

The English seized all the Ottoman Archives and also all other archives in other cities, like those in Urfa Governer House. No evidence could be found neither in the Ottoman and English Archives. The Americans, whom the English applied, failed to find any proof in American Archives and reports of American Orthodox church or missioners either. Nor could Damat Ferit Pasha, then the Ottoman Prime Minister who was in absolute collaboration with the English could find any evidence. And, they had to make all these 144 Ottomans free in 1921, since they could not find any proof to be able to verdict them.

Can you imagine a genocide on which no kind of proof can be found, even when the members of this criminal government have been taken prisoners and when all her archieves are under control of the invader accusers and given under directory of an Armenian?

If The Blue Book, the telegrams of Aram Andonian and the diary of Ambassador Morgenthau (which had already been published then) were reliable proofs, why did the English, French and Americans not use them ?
Additionally, during the trial in Berlin of the Armenian assassin Soghomon Tehlirian, who had murdered Talat Pasha in Berlin on March 15th, 1921, none of the Andonian documents was allowed to be entered into the court proceedings as evidence (Dashnakists’ book Justicier du Genocide, 1981, p.213).

4)The cover photograph of the book of Tessa Hoffmann: German Greek scholar Tessa Hoffmann printed the painting of Russian artist Vasili Vereshchagin entitled ‘The Apotheosis of the Franco-Prussia War of 1871, depicting a mass of skulls which was probably painted after 1878, as if it were the photograph of 1915 Armenian genocide, in the cover of his book and had to admit her forgery during the trial of Doğu Perinçek held in Switzerland in March 2007, in which she was listened as a wittness.
Interestingly, Tessa Hoffman is a scholar of genocide.

mustafaka
Sat Mar 13 2010 09:10
I
The Armenians vehemently resist to present their thesis in historical commissions or even to admit international courts. It is simply because of that their thesis depend on forgeries and lies and they know it very well. If the protocols are substatiated and if all their lies are displayed in historical commissions, how can they look at the face of their youngsters whom they fed with Turkish hatred and how can they live? Here are a few of these forgeries, lies and falsified documents:

1)The number of Armenians who were relocated: The number of the Armenians who were relocated was reported as 600-700 thousand by Bogos Nubar Pasha who attended to the talks of Sevres Treaty as a chief of Armenians; however this number is given as 1.5 million, 2 and even 2.5 million by different by some Armenian sources. However, 1.5 million was the total number of Ottoman Armenians including those who live in the West Anatolia (therefore who were not relocated) according to Encyclopedia Britannica’s 1910 edition which was edited by an English editor. It is another striking point that the total number of Ottoman Armenians was increased to 2.5 million in 1953 edition of the same encyclopedia which was edited by an Armenian editor.

2) Aram Andonian’s book (The telegrams which were claimed to have been sent by Talat Pasha to order the massacre of the Armenians which were pressed in the book of Aram Andonian in 1920, in three languages): It was proven by both the Turkish and foreign historians that these telegrams were fake too.
After these telegrams were published in Daily Telegraph in England, in 1922, the English Foreign Ministry made a scrutiny and denounced that they were prepared by an Armenian association.

3)Diary of American Ambassador Morgenthau published in 1918. Professor Heath Lowry, an American historian from Princeton University displayed that the events depicted in the book depended on lies or half true events, by comparing the information Ambassador Morgenthau sent to American Foreign Ministry, with those written in the diary, in his book entitled ‘The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, in 1990.

Kerem Sahin
Fri Mar 12 2010 19:57
If it was truly a taboo in Turkey to discuss this issue then we wouldn't be able to see many discussions on the national TV for years now. Many people are indeed prosecuted under Article 301. This article has to be removed completely but it should be noted that almost all of these cases were filed by the same lawyer and majority of it is dismissed by the court and the rest even when someone received a fine it's postponed indefinitely. I have yet to so see anyone actually doing jail time or paying a fine for such a crime.

I may be a Turk but the reason I'm questioning this issue is not based on my nationality but my findings. My opinion is not based on what the Turkish government says but on my own finding. I am being as objective as one can be as I could very easily make a lot of nationalistic and emotional comments as some of you are making. The level of ignorance and lack of knowledge is mind boggling.

Sorry about the multiple comments. This was intended to be a one very long post.

Kerem Sahin
Fri Mar 12 2010 19:52
Ottoman Empire back then was in no condition to support fully the marches or suppress the ethnic violence in the region to keep its fight with Russia effective. They could get lots of troops from the fronts and station them in villages to keep the Muslim and Christian population from attacking each other. Anyone who studies little about the history of the Ottoman Empire in this timeline would know that it's simply impossible to do this. Other option was to send one of the sides away. As Armenian gangs were the ones harassing Ottoman supply lines, sending Armenians was the better option. If the intent was to exterminate Armenians than 300 thousand Armenians wouldn't go untouched in major cities and 500 thousand Armenian wouldn't be able to reach their destinations.
Kerem Sahin
Fri Mar 12 2010 19:40
Well, this is an article with a word limit. You can only say so much. I have been doing research for the past 4 years. This article doesn't claim that it disproves the genocide claims in any way. It simply raises questions that are needed to be answered before someone can believe in. And, there are many such questions. It is also very accurate to accuse the Western nations for falsification of facts. Many of the studies they use utilize forged documents. Any intelligent person would agree that use of forged documents as evidence renders the study useless. Yet most Western studies rely on such documents.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 12 2010 19:11
it seems that there's a lot of hate going around. i understand that i don't have any emotional attachment to the issue but it seems that both turks and armos killed each other at the time. neither hands are clean, perhaps some are bloodier than others, but it just seems the rational thing to do would be to admit that both parties committed moral transgressions instead of pointing fingers accusing the other party of being a killer.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 12 2010 19:04
this is a terribly written article. any merit you may have is completely marred by your inability to concisely and lucidly present your argument.

i find it interesting that you accuse all armenians and western nations (a grand and sweeping categorization) of trying to present certain facts as gospel while discouraging any counterargument, because last time i checked, isn't saying that these two small factoids are enough evidence to "prove" the truth that the turkish-armenian conflict was not genocide doing the same thing? i'm pretty sure that all it does is open the topic up to reexamination and discussion, not definitively prove that armenians are purposefully trying to deceive the public. i don't necessarily disagree with you, but your argument would be better received if it were researched and presented better.

Kerem1
Fri Mar 12 2010 16:01
Frankly, personal memories have little weight in a historical discussion as same can be found from both sides.

The Armenian population in Turkey right now is highly different then the legal ones. A large bulk is made up of illegal Armenian living in Turkey for decades.

Just because a population left a region in few years doesn't mean they were annihilated especially when we see a decrease in other regions in Armenian population.

Kerem
Fri Mar 12 2010 15:59
Obviously you're not brain washed yet you use another forgery. The Nuremberg trials didn't even accepted the version of Hitler's speech you're referring to as evidence.

Only one person was murdered. Your use of a single murder to say that everyone dies if they question is somewhat a typical behavior.

Anonymous
Thu Mar 11 2010 01:13
to the guy below me. I actually agree with you...political stuff is a different matter, and I'm armenian. All of that aside though, that doesn't make what this guy's writing any less idiotic.

My great-grandparents were marched into the desert and murdered but oh wait what's that?....there are two obscure facts some random turk doesn't understand? Oh ok word...my great-grandparents probably made it up. The ole fake your death by marching into the desert trick? classssic. Can't believe these poor saps fell for it. Thanks for opening my eyes kerem.

anonymous
Thu Mar 11 2010 00:19
Does it matter?

There is nothing to be gained at this point by declaring it a genocide. Turkey is useful to US interests, Armenia is less useful. If pretending that an alleged genocide did not happen 90 years ago means the US can use Turkey as an airbase to support our oil wars, that seems like a fair trade off to me.

The last thing we need is Turkey to become another Islamic fundamentalist state. Why are we so intent on screwing ourselves on these unsolvable moral dilemmas? It's not as if Turkey is currently murdering any Armenians. At some point you have to let these things go for the sake of political expediency.

Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 17:07
The reason turkey is having a hard-time accepting genocide is not because of a lack of facts its a lack of morality

common Turks don't see anything wrong with killing another human being. Killing for family pride or killing someone for insulting Turkishness is a common practice in turkey

So while the western countries are outraged they say well a lot of Armenians died but it was a war or Armenian were terrorist so they deserved to die.
As if killing the innocent in war is okay

I would say that an overwhelming majority of Turks are probably proud of the genocide committed against Armenians and they dont see anything wrong with it.

When Turkish society develops enough to realize that genocide and killing in general is not good than maybe comparing facts is plausible

Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 16:56
oh also turkish coffee sucks.
Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 16:55
Ok I'm going to respond to this post even though it's the dumbest thing I've ever read... Kirlikovali...you said...

"Armenians come back with “What is there to respond? There is nothing to debate.”EVERYTHING IS OPEN TO DEBATE !Only those who are not confident about their facts and figures are terrified by open debate, as they know their lies, distortions, fabrications, hearsay, and tall tales will be exposed. Only those fanatics will argue that their case has only one side, their side, and only their stories are the truth, the whole truth."

then why is it illegal to talk about the Armenian genocide in Turkey? Sounds like the Turkish government fits exactly that description.

Kirlikovali
Wed Mar 10 2010 16:18
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY CANNOT BE SILENCED Armenians seem so wrapped up and obsessed with their version of history that they cannot even see why we, the Turkish-Americans, would like to respond the Armenian interviewee(s). The Armenians routinely misrepresent to unsuspecting public the Turkish-Armenian conflict as settled history of genocide, whereas the truth is far from being settled, let alone called genocide. When we ask for equal time, Armenians come back with “What is there to respond? There is nothing to debate.”EVERYTHING IS OPEN TO DEBATE !Only those who are not confident about their facts and figures are terrified by open debate, as they know their lies, distortions, fabrications, hearsay, and tall tales will be exposed. Only those fanatics will argue that their case has only one side, their side, and only their stories are the truth, the whole truth. We heard it all too many times in other controversies, too: abortion, gun control, immigration, gay rights, Iraq War, Guantanamo, taxes, stimulus package, and many others. It is up to decent people to stand up to the “opinion thugs” and demand the opening of the field to responsible opposing views so that both, in fact all, sides of any controversy shall be heard. After that, let the public come to its own decision. Propaganda and political pressure are not meant to replace scholarship, as Armenian falsifiers and their fellow Turk haters attempt to do so frequently.BIAS & BIGOTRY IN THE TERM “ARMENIAN GENOCIDE” If one cherishes values like fairness, objectivity, truth, and honesty, then one should really use the term “Turkish-Armenian conflict”. Asking one “Do you accept or deny Armenian Genocide” shows anti-Turkish bias. The question should be re-phrased “What is your stand on the Turkish-Armenian conflict?” Turks believe it was an inter communal warfare mostly fought by Turkish and Armenian irregulars, a civil war which is engineered, provoked, and waged by the Armenian revolutionaries, with active support from Russia, England, France, and others, all eyeing the vast territories of the collapsing Ottoman Empire, against a backdrop of a raging world war. Armenians, on the other hand, totally ignoring Armenian agitation, raids, rebellions, treason, territorial demands, and Turkish victims killed by Armenians, unfairly claim that it was a one way genocide. GENOCIDE ALLEGATIONS IGNORE “THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT” While some in unsuspecting public may be forgiven for taking the blatant and ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and believing Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so often, it is difficult and painful for someone like me, the son of Turkish survivors on both maternal and paternal sides. Those seemingly endless “War years” of 1912-1922 brought wide-spread death and destruction on to all Ottoman citizens. No Turkish family was left touched, mine included. Those nameless, faceless Turkish victims are killed for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of Armenian genocide. ALLEGATIONS OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE ARE RACIST AND DISHONEST HISTORY They are racist because they ignore the Turkish dead: about 3 million during WWI; more than half a million of them at the hands of Armenian nationalists. And the allegations of Armenian genocide are dishonest because they simply dismiss THE SIX T’S OF THE TURKISH-ARMENIAN CONFLICT: 1) TUMULT (as in numerous Armenian armed uprisings between 1882 and 1920) 2) TERRORISM (by well-armed Armenian nationalists and militias victimizing Ottoman-Muslims between 1882-1920) 3) TREASON (Armenians joining the invading enemy armies as early as 1914 and lasting until 1921) 4) TERRITORIAL DEMANDS (where Armenians were a minority, not a majority, attempting to establish Greater Armenia, the would-be first apartheid of the 20th Century with a Christian minority ruling over a Muslim majority ) 5) TURKISH SUFFERING AND LOSSES (i.e. those caused by the Armenian nationalists: 524,000 Muslims, mostly Turks, met their tragic end at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries during WWI, per Turkish Historical Society. This figure is not to be confused with about 2.5 million Muslim dead who lost their lives due to non-Armenian causes during WWI. Grand total: more than 3 million, according to Prof. Justin McCarthy.) 6) TERESET (temporary resettlement) triggered by the first five T’s above and amply documented as such; not to be equated to the Armenian misrepresentations as genocide.) VERDICT WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AMOUNTS TO LYNCHING Those who take the Armenian “allegations” of genocide at face value seem to also ignore the following: 1- Genocide is a legal, technical term precisely defined by the U.N. 1948 convention (Like all proper laws, it is not retroactive to 1915.) 2- Genocide verdict can only be given by a "competent court" after "due process" where both sides are properly represented and evidence mutually cross examined. ...
Anonymous
Wed Mar 10 2010 16:06
Im an astronaut, a race car driver, and a rock star

and i like to post random did you knows on the internet in a vague attempt to change fact

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